Cortex co-founder and CTO Ganesh Datta sits down with Nathen Harvey, who leads the DORA research program at Google Cloud. They dig into what really drives engineering excellence in the age of AI, why software delivery fundamentals matter more than ever, and why the best teams focus on improvement rather than benchmarks.
Ganesh and Nathen also discuss DORA's latest research into AI adoption, which found that AI acts as an amplifier, accelerates organizations with strong practices, and exposes dysfunction in those without. Nathen shares a few hard-won lessons from value stream mapping exercises that uncover invisible waste, explains why 30% distrust in AI might actually be healthy, and makes a compelling case for using this moment to finally drive the cultural changes teams have always wanted. Ganesh and Nathen also wrestle with the thorny question of what to actually measure when adopting AI tools and why lines of code is the wrong answer.